iChat session today with Raphael from Portland due to the snow. I feel like I shouldnt have mentioned not liking online sessions in my last post...
Jorgen Leth - Five Obstructions edit on 12 Frames -Interesting style, requires creative responses to normal problems.
->through this class we will be Showing but never Telling.
AND NOW some math. Euclidian Geometry vs. Cartisian Geometry -First Postulate - A Point is that which has no part. -Second Postulate - A Line is a point with no breadth ->A Point has no position in Time/Space -Third Postulate - A Plane has endless lenght and width. -> Bound by lines -Fourth Postulate - A Form has endless length, width, breadth, bound by planes.
Cartisian Geometry uses X,Y coordinates, fixed position in time/space. Through this system, Descartes set the ground work for modern forms of physics, calculus, 3D modeling, virtually everything.
Once Descartes set up a point as an individual, it provided an outlet for a person to become an individual, rather than just being part of a collective - "I Think, therefor, I Am."
SO what the HELL does this have to do with 12frames??? -Take each segment on its own identity -Each frame as a point, each group as a line -A shape is made up of a narrtive OVERALL -A whole work can be represented as a plane -The narrative resides in the form.
We search for a meaning, a narrative, in everything. We are trying to find narratives everywhere.
Didactic - adjective - intended to teach, particularly in moral instruction or alterior motive. ->Why is a written narrative less didactic than a visual narrative? -> Something written is given more interpretation by the viewer/reader. However, in a visual narrative, our interpretation is constrained.
Assignment - watch 12 frames video over and over, with no sound, email one paragraph to raph of your interpretation. Also - email one paragraph to raph over the difference between euclidian and cartisian geometry.
notes > note blog reflection about topics in-class > reflection blog
recording of classes start soon
everything we're doing is visual - showing at all times, not telling
Euclidean Geometry ***Paragraph emailed to Raph explaining Differences between Euclidean/Descrates
Euclidean - didn't divide things into time/space, line is endless length, plane is endless length and breadth, and a form is endless length, breadth, and depth
Descartes - locates fixed point in time/space - "I think therefor I am."
Once a specific point in time/space is set, vast amounts of doors are opened, such as triangulation
"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts."
Single frame as a point plane is a series of edits=sequence
Where does narrative reside?
At what point do you have more control over the narrative
We search for meaning in everything
meaning=narrative (for this class)
Written word has different abilities than the visual
***Watch Lars Von Trier and write a paragraph on what I think think the narrative is, emailed to Raph with the title: "5obstaclemeaning"
Blog lecture notes Blog responses (reflections) -can respond to others
Jorgen Leth and Lars von Trier: -Danish filmmakers -different methods of filmmaking 12 frames Interesting because it was mostly visual von Trier- Antichrist (suggested by Dylan)
don't use wikipedia.
2 schools of thought for geometry: Euclid- 1.a point is that which has no part 2.a line is endless length bound by a point 3.a plane is endless length and breadth bound by lines 4.a form is endless length, breadth and height bound by planes
Descartes: fixed position in time and space "I think therefor I am" graph:thinking vs.existence
Whole is greater than sum of it's parts Why bring this up? -Each frame is a point -Clip is a line, bound by cut. -A plane is a series of edits -Form is everything put together
Narrative: where is it found? All of the above.
When do you control narrative? Always, but different in each circumstance.
As humans we look for meaning in everything. -look for meaning within the frame of reference: -Less information => wider interpretation
A stranger walks into a room.
Written word- opens up for interpretation Descriptions can't cover everything
Things are no longer black and white between mediums.
Absolute control of narrative? Never.
Once it is brought out of your head, it can never be perfectly realized.
Homework: watch 12 frames on repeat, no sound. Type a paragraph on your interpretation, subject line "5 obstacles meaning". Also, a paragraph on difference between Euclidian and Cartisian geometry.
Notes on 12 fram assignment: -Don't shoot to edit -Shoot 20 minute narrative -Do not make music video -Think of Narrative
* done by 6PM in the evening-- talk about something we discussed (reflection)
* don't post anything to iDisk unless asked to do so.
Jorgen Leth & Lars Von Trier
12 frame project--
everything we do is visual
The Perfect Human 5 Obstructions
Euclidean Geometry
* paragraph on Euclid vs. Descartes-- send to e-mail
Euclidean Geometry and Cartesian Geometry
Euclid- a point at which has no part.
Euclid doesn't divide time in space. * we don't locate time in space.
- a line is endless in length - the extremity of a line are points
Descartes- when he locates time in space in opens up.
"I think, therefore I am"
* Descartes defines a point in time.
The individual wasn't as important as the collective.
The location of time in space were revolutionary
Cartesian Geometry
Euclid teaches us a very different way to think and expands ideas for us.
The whole is greater then the sum of the parts.
12 Frame Project
- each frame that you work with is a point group of frames = line form = the overall narrative plane = is a series of edits put together
* where does the narrative reside? everywhere (frame, edit, cut, overall)
- we search for meaning in everything-- we look at everything and find something meaningful out of it.
- narratives are everywhere * finding a shape in the cloud
the view interprets what they see.
a written narrative is more open
* when you describe something in words you are more open to interpretation. - it allows viewer to participate with piece
- you are limited as the artist to add elements to a piece.
- The more you show, the more you limit the viewer to participate.
- The more your abstract, the more you open up imagination.
- the written word has different abilities then the shown (visual) word.
* in order to tell something visually the more you show.
* you can never define things to another person.
Is meaning somehow in between?
HW:
- Post Notes & Reflection - 5 obstructions meaning and paragraph of Euclid vs. Descartes (send to Raph email) - Watch 12 frams without sound
12 Frame Project--
DO not shoot to edit-- shoot a 20 minute narrative - Audio can be anything - Do not want anything that looks like a music video - think of a story with beginning, peak, and end - shoot long, full shots
-There is one blog for all the lecture notes to be posted to after each class. You are to take notes by hand and then type them up and post them. This helps with the learning process and helps you remember ideas brought up in class
-A Reflection is supposed to be posted to a different blog where you are supposed to respond to an idea brought up from class, don't just say the class was "Good"
-Do not post anything to the iDisk without permission
-Jorgen Leth- The Perfect Human -Lars Von Trier -The Five Obstructions, Editing on the twelfth frame -Antichrist-Lars Von Trier -Euclidian Geometry -Euclid--> Look him up, write a paragraph email it with the subject line Euclid Vs. Descartes -Cartesian Geometry -Euclid didn't divide things in time or space -A Point has no part -A line has breathless ends in length -Concept of a point in thought - A Plane is endless length and breath -A form is endless length, breath, and width -Descartes --> Locates point in fixed position of time and space -The idea of the ego was not as prevalent -People wore more easily formed into a large group -The individual wasn't considered as important as the group -Cartesian Geometry is responsible for any 3D Modeling, animation or vector based images -Euclid teaches us a way to expand our ideas , he sees the relationship between the part and the whole -We have to consider both the individual and what it does for the whole -What is the metaphor for the form? -Point is a frame -Line-Amount of frames between two frames -Form-Is the overall Narrative -Where does the narrative reside?
-Humans search for meaning in everything -Narratives-->Some sort of ascribed meaning -The Viewer interprets that which they see -A written narrative is less didactic then a visual narrative -A lot of people question the interactivity of the piece, showing what it is you want to show -The written word allows the viewer to imagine the narrative
Assignment
Watch the five obstructions over and over, write down the story, do not listen to the audio portion of it. Email to Raph with the subject line 5 Obstacle Meaning
For twelve frame assignment, do not shoot edit, shoot to make a long narrative, then edit, No music videos.
Notes - Leth and Von Trier - Contrast between "the perfect human" and "the 5 obstructions - Paragraph on Euclid vs Descartes - Descartes uses x and y to locate a place in time and space - Before Descartes the individual wasn't considered as important as the collective - Point = frame - Line = number of frames between cuts - Plain = arranging edits into sequence - Form = Overall narrative - Every aspect can have a narrative - We are constantly searching for meaning - Constantly trying to find a narrative - Everything has a narrative - People will never see something the same as another - Written word allows more room for interpretation then visuals - When a visual is obstructed it then has more room for interpretation - The more abstract something is the more room there is for interpretation
1 folder for class notes 1 folder for reflections Don’t post to idisk unless instructed to
Euclid vs. Descartes- email for raph
Euclid- doesn’t incorperate time/space -3 Postulates- theoretically/perceptual way of conceiving forms abstract
Descartes- a point on the x,y coordinate in time and space - way we receive space / time - cogito ergo sum- I think therefore I am - Vector graphics based on Cartesian geometry
Individual wasn’t considered as important as collective
Point- single frame Line- group of frames Plane- series of edits put together to form a sequence Form- overall narrative- point, line, plane
Narrative- can be found in all- point, line, plane and form
Homework: Visually analyze 12 frames- write what you think the story is, “5 obstacle meaning”
Project due Tuesday - film full narrative - audio- no music videos!
Everyday by 6pm after class need to post class notes And a reflection that days lecture **Don’t upload anything to the iDisk unless told to Everything in this class is visual so we should be showing rather than telling **Don’t use Wikipedia ***HW Email one paragraph on Euclidian geometry with the subject line “Euclidian vs. Descartes”
Euclidian school of geometry:
Doesn’t divide things into time and space A point is that which has no part- can’t be divided A line is of endless length- boundary of a line is a point A plane is endless length and depth- boundary of a plane is a line A form is endless length, depth, and width- boundary of a form is a plane “The whole is greater than the sum of its parts
Descartes:
Defines time and space with an x,y coordinates Can locate points with a fixed position in time and space Opens the door to a whole new way of thinking “I think therefore I am” Individual not as value as collective Thinking as one axis Existence as other axis Person can be graphed
For the Project: Consider both individual frames and scenes and what they do as a whole Frame = point Line = amount of frames Plane = series of these edits put together Form = Overall Narrative- everything together ***Narrative can be found in every piece of the film even down to the frame since humans try to find meaning in everything and will interpret enough to find it People will interpret what they see That is why story telling leaves more to interpret because the reader is not seeing anything so then has to visualize the whole scene because nothing is given to them The moment a frame changes/moves less interpretation is left up to the viewer. Written words WILL ALWAYS OFFER MORE INTERPRETATION TO THE VIEWER AND MAKE THE WORK MORE INTERACTIVE Either way you can never be sure that people will interpret a piece how you want them to interpret a piece **For the project DO NOT MAKE IT LIKE A MUSIC VIDEO **ALSO, SHOOT TO TELL THE STORY THEN EDIT, HAVE LONG SHOTS
***HW watch 12 frames again and again without sound and email 1 paragraph with what you think the story of it is.
Blog for lecture notes ONLY - take written notes then transcribe to computer Other blog is for reflections ONLY - talk about something discussed in class by 6
Don't put anything on his iDisk without asking
We will always have class
Edit on 12 frames - How the narration, and visuals work together.
Paragraph from everyone Euclid vs Descartes (subject of email)
Euclid: didn't divide things into time/space
Descartes - xy coordinates in time and space
"I think therefore I am."
Each frame is a point A group of frames in between cuts is a line Plane: the frames and edits together in one sequence. Form is the overall narrative.
Story/narrative - you can search anything for meaning/narrative (event, thing, feeling ect)
When you describe in words the user is forced to imagine what the visual would look like.
The written word has different abilities than the visual word.
No homework except: watch 12 frames piece w/o sound write down what you think the story is and send paragraph "5 obstacle meaning" Write paragraph on Euclid vs Descartes Post notes, and reflections to the blog. 12 frame project starts Thursday - think of idea for narrative.
DO NOT shoot only edits Audio can be anything except MUSIC VIDEOS
-NMD 304 -Post on Blog discussing in class events by 6pm -do not email raph the comments -keep watching Von Triers 12 frames -Euclid and descartes -First, second, and third postulates -Euclidean geometry centers around the mathematical creation of complex theoretical systems, Cartesian coordinates are designed to overlay a mathematical theorem over the physical world. -The whole is greater than the sum of its parts -Timelines are a cartesian co ordinate system, cuts are impossibly accurate and non existent differentiations between time. -In the written word we are more open to interpretation because not everything is described.
Don't post anything in the iDisk unless instructed
Watch "Anti-Christ": Lars Von Trier (good at distrupting what poeple think of semiotics)
Euclid was a Mathamatician of Geomentry
Write a paragraph with the subject line (Euclid vs. De Cartes)
Euclid: A point is that which is boundless A line is defined by two points A plane is defined by lines A form is defined by planes Euclid divides time and space
De Cartes: Defines time and space using coordiantes (x,Y) a point is a fixed position in time and space "I think there for I am"
12 edit Each frame is a point Each segment between cuts is a line Each sequence of cuts combined is a plane The entire narrative is the form
Humans immediatley try and identify with the meaning or narrative of a subject.
Narrative is some sort of thing, or friction, feeling, event of something.
The viewer of an artwork identifies only that which they have prior knowledge of
A written narrative is more dydactic then a visual narrative.
In written narrative the reader is given the chance to interpret more meaning then with a visual narrative due to its boundries.
Some people say that video is not interactive but that only applies to the more concrete your subject matter is and the less chance of interpretation the viewer is afforded.
Meaning is found in the exchange of two points.
Write down what you think the meaning of twelve frames is with the subject line :5 obsticles
NMD 304 (josh Smith) MAKE SURE TO TAKE NOTES: MAKE SURE TO COPY TO NOTES PAGE AND THEN FOLLOW UP ON REFLECTIONS. don't email comments to raph
first time running the class online (this simester.) worked pretty well, for the most part.
Superimposition montage framerate
Sequencial imaging-old hyroglyphs had this, it's not something we've recently created
Digital film= most useful of newer storage devices to keep sequencial imaging on.
"A picture's worth 1000 words"
allows you to have your own interpritation, while allowing others to think differently about your piece as well.
Context-gallery has different context than showing pictures at home. one's more artistic, the other's more personal.
Lars von Treir, interested with editing without moving camera.
Euclidean geometry- more abstract way of thinking about art and sequencial imaging. point is one with nothing, line is ended with points, plain is ended in lines, and a form ended with planes.
Cartesian geometry- more concrete way to think about sequencing. "i think therefore i am" creation is greater than the sum of it's parts.
Consider this.
a frame is like a point, a group of frames is like a line. A sequence of groups of frames is like a plane, and a form is the narritive given by the plane of frames.
what's inside head can't be discribed 100% of the time. It's lost when put to a medium. reading allows for more interpritation, while visuals take away from your ability to visualize mentally what you'd like.
2 blogs > one for lecture notes, one for reflection on class discussions
Euclid > paragraph on and email to Raphael
geometry a line is breathless. part. endless length. its extremedies are points.
a plane is endless length and breadth
a form is made of planes
'the whole is great than the sum of its parts'
12 frame edit consider each frame a point each edit is a line (the amount of frames between a cut) a plane is a group of edits in a sequence form is the overall narrative
people search for meaning in everything meaning > narrative > description of thing, event, or feeling a written narrative is less didactic than a visual narrative to tell something visually, you have to show it.
12 frame edit piece by lars and Leth (5 obstacle meaning) watch with out sound and answer what is the narrative? email
dont shoot to edit, shoot to tell and later edit to 12 frames
iChat session today with Raphael from Portland due to the snow. I feel like I shouldnt have mentioned not liking online sessions in my last post...
ReplyDeleteJorgen Leth - Five Obstructions edit on 12 Frames
-Interesting style, requires creative responses to normal problems.
->through this class we will be Showing but never Telling.
AND NOW some math.
Euclidian Geometry vs. Cartisian Geometry
-First Postulate - A Point is that which has no part.
-Second Postulate - A Line is a point with no breadth
->A Point has no position in Time/Space
-Third Postulate - A Plane has endless lenght and width.
-> Bound by lines
-Fourth Postulate - A Form has endless length, width, breadth, bound by planes.
Cartisian Geometry uses X,Y coordinates, fixed position in time/space. Through this system, Descartes set the ground work for modern forms of physics, calculus, 3D modeling, virtually everything.
Once Descartes set up a point as an individual, it provided an outlet for a person to become an individual, rather than just being part of a collective - "I Think, therefor, I Am."
SO what the HELL does this have to do with 12frames???
-Take each segment on its own identity
-Each frame as a point, each group as a line
-A shape is made up of a narrtive OVERALL
-A whole work can be represented as a plane
-The narrative resides in the form.
We search for a meaning, a narrative, in everything. We are trying to find narratives everywhere.
Didactic - adjective - intended to teach, particularly in moral instruction or alterior motive.
->Why is a written narrative less didactic than a visual narrative? -> Something written is given more interpretation by the viewer/reader. However, in a visual narrative, our interpretation is constrained.
Assignment - watch 12 frames video over and over, with no sound, email one paragraph to raph of your interpretation.
Also - email one paragraph to raph over the difference between euclidian and cartisian geometry.
notes > note blog
ReplyDeletereflection about topics in-class > reflection blog
recording of classes start soon
everything we're doing is visual
- showing at all times, not telling
Euclidean Geometry
***Paragraph emailed to Raph explaining Differences between Euclidean/Descrates
Euclidean - didn't divide things into time/space, line is endless length, plane is endless length and breadth, and a form is endless length, breadth, and depth
Descartes - locates fixed point in time/space
- "I think therefor I am."
Once a specific point in time/space is set, vast amounts of doors are opened, such as triangulation
"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts."
Single frame as a point
plane is a series of edits=sequence
Where does narrative reside?
At what point do you have more control over the narrative
We search for meaning in everything
meaning=narrative (for this class)
Written word has different abilities than the visual
***Watch Lars Von Trier and write a paragraph on what I think think the narrative is, emailed to Raph with the title: "5obstaclemeaning"
Blog lecture notes
ReplyDeleteBlog responses (reflections)
-can respond to others
Jorgen Leth and Lars von Trier:
-Danish filmmakers
-different methods of filmmaking
12 frames
Interesting because it was mostly visual
von Trier- Antichrist (suggested by Dylan)
don't use wikipedia.
2 schools of thought for geometry:
Euclid-
1.a point is that which has no part
2.a line is endless length bound by a point
3.a plane is endless length and breadth bound by lines
4.a form is endless length, breadth and height bound by planes
Descartes:
fixed position in time and space
"I think therefor I am"
graph:thinking vs.existence
Whole is greater than sum of it's parts
Why bring this up?
-Each frame is a point
-Clip is a line, bound by cut.
-A plane is a series of edits
-Form is everything put together
Narrative: where is it found?
All of the above.
When do you control narrative?
Always, but different in each circumstance.
As humans we look for meaning in everything.
-look for meaning within the frame of reference:
-Less information => wider interpretation
A stranger walks into a room.
Written word- opens up for interpretation
Descriptions can't cover everything
Things are no longer black and white between mediums.
Absolute control of narrative? Never.
Once it is brought out of your head, it can never be perfectly realized.
Homework:
watch 12 frames on repeat, no sound.
Type a paragraph on your interpretation, subject line "5 obstacles meaning".
Also, a paragraph on difference between Euclidian and Cartisian geometry.
Notes on 12 fram assignment:
-Don't shoot to edit
-Shoot 20 minute narrative
-Do not make music video
-Think of Narrative
Notes : NMD 304: 1-19-10
ReplyDeleteFound where to put notes!!
Ichat with Raph-- good connection
1 Blog for lecture notes
1 blog for reflection
don't take notes on computer, do by hand!
* done by 6PM in the evening-- talk about something we discussed (reflection)
* don't post anything to iDisk unless asked to do so.
Jorgen Leth & Lars Von Trier
12 frame project--
everything we do is visual
The Perfect Human
5 Obstructions
Euclidean Geometry
* paragraph on Euclid vs. Descartes-- send to e-mail
Euclidean Geometry and Cartesian Geometry
Euclid- a point at which has no part.
Euclid doesn't divide time in space.
* we don't locate time in space.
- a line is endless in length
- the extremity of a line are points
Descartes- when he locates time in space in opens up.
"I think, therefore I am"
* Descartes defines a point in time.
The individual wasn't as important as the collective.
The location of time in space were revolutionary
Cartesian Geometry
Euclid teaches us a very different way to think and expands ideas for us.
The whole is greater then the sum of the parts.
12 Frame Project
- each frame that you work with is a point
group of frames = line
form = the overall narrative
plane = is a series of edits put together
* where does the narrative reside? everywhere (frame, edit, cut, overall)
- we search for meaning in everything-- we look at everything and find something meaningful out of it.
- narratives are everywhere
* finding a shape in the cloud
the view interprets what they see.
a written narrative is more open
* when you describe something in words you are more open to interpretation.
- it allows viewer to participate with piece
- you are limited as the artist to add elements to a piece.
- The more you show, the more you limit the viewer to participate.
- The more your abstract, the more you open up imagination.
- the written word has different abilities then the shown (visual) word.
* in order to tell something visually the more you show.
* you can never define things to another person.
Is meaning somehow in between?
HW:
- Post Notes & Reflection
- 5 obstructions meaning and paragraph of Euclid vs. Descartes (send to Raph email)
- Watch 12 frams without sound
12 Frame Project--
DO not shoot to edit-- shoot a 20 minute narrative
- Audio can be anything
- Do not want anything that looks like a music video
- think of a story with beginning, peak, and end
- shoot long, full shots
NEVER shoot to edit!
Notes 1-19-10
ReplyDelete-There is one blog for all the lecture notes to be posted to after each class. You are to take notes by hand and then type them up and post them. This helps with the learning process and helps you remember ideas brought up in class
-A Reflection is supposed to be posted to a different blog where you are supposed to respond to an idea brought up from class, don't just say the class was "Good"
-Do not post anything to the iDisk without permission
-Jorgen Leth- The Perfect Human
-Lars Von Trier
-The Five Obstructions, Editing on the twelfth frame
-Antichrist-Lars Von Trier
-Euclidian Geometry
-Euclid--> Look him up, write a paragraph email it with the subject line Euclid Vs. Descartes
-Cartesian Geometry
-Euclid didn't divide things in time or space
-A Point has no part
-A line has breathless ends in length
-Concept of a point in thought
- A Plane is endless length and breath
-A form is endless length, breath, and width
-Descartes --> Locates point in fixed position of time and space
-The idea of the ego was not as prevalent
-People wore more easily formed into a large group
-The individual wasn't considered as important as the group
-Cartesian Geometry is responsible for any 3D Modeling, animation or vector based images
-Euclid teaches us a way to expand our ideas , he sees the relationship between the part and the whole
-We have to consider both the individual and what it does for the whole
-What is the metaphor for the form?
-Point is a frame
-Line-Amount of frames between two frames
-Form-Is the overall Narrative
-Where does the narrative reside?
-Humans search for meaning in everything
-Narratives-->Some sort of ascribed meaning
-The Viewer interprets that which they see
-A written narrative is less didactic then a visual narrative
-A lot of people question the interactivity of the piece, showing what it is you want to show
-The written word allows the viewer to imagine the narrative
Assignment
Watch the five obstructions over and over, write down the story, do not listen to the audio portion of it. Email to Raph with the subject line 5 Obstacle Meaning
For twelve frame assignment, do not shoot edit, shoot to make a long narrative, then edit, No music videos.
Notes
ReplyDelete- Leth and Von Trier
- Contrast between "the perfect human" and "the 5 obstructions
- Paragraph on Euclid vs Descartes
- Descartes uses x and y to locate a place in time and space
- Before Descartes the individual wasn't considered as important as the collective
- Point = frame
- Line = number of frames between cuts
- Plain = arranging edits into sequence
- Form = Overall narrative
- Every aspect can have a narrative
- We are constantly searching for meaning
- Constantly trying to find a narrative
- Everything has a narrative
- People will never see something the same as another
- Written word allows more room for interpretation then visuals
- When a visual is obstructed it then has more room for interpretation
- The more abstract something is the more room there is for interpretation
1 folder for class notes
ReplyDelete1 folder for reflections
Don’t post to idisk unless instructed to
Euclid vs. Descartes- email for raph
Euclid- doesn’t incorperate time/space
-3 Postulates- theoretically/perceptual way of conceiving forms abstract
Descartes- a point on the x,y coordinate in time and space
- way we receive space / time
- cogito ergo sum- I think therefore I am
- Vector graphics based on Cartesian geometry
Individual wasn’t considered as important as collective
Point- single frame
Line- group of frames
Plane- series of edits put together to form a sequence
Form- overall narrative- point, line, plane
Narrative- can be found in all- point, line, plane and form
Homework:
Visually analyze 12 frames- write what you think the story is, “5 obstacle meaning”
Project due Tuesday
- film full narrative
- audio- no music videos!
1/19/10 Class Notes
ReplyDeleteEveryday by 6pm after class need to post class notes
And a reflection that days lecture
**Don’t upload anything to the iDisk unless told to
Everything in this class is visual so we should be showing rather than telling
**Don’t use Wikipedia
***HW Email one paragraph on Euclidian geometry with the subject line “Euclidian vs. Descartes”
Euclidian school of geometry:
Doesn’t divide things into time and space
A point is that which has no part- can’t be divided
A line is of endless length- boundary of a line is a point
A plane is endless length and depth- boundary of a plane is a line
A form is endless length, depth, and width- boundary of a form is a plane
“The whole is greater than the sum of its parts
Descartes:
Defines time and space with an x,y coordinates
Can locate points with a fixed position in time and space
Opens the door to a whole new way of thinking
“I think therefore I am”
Individual not as value as collective
Thinking as one axis
Existence as other axis
Person can be graphed
For the Project:
Consider both individual frames and scenes and what they do as a whole
Frame = point
Line = amount of frames
Plane = series of these edits put together
Form = Overall Narrative- everything together
***Narrative can be found in every piece of the film even down to the frame since humans try to find meaning in everything and will interpret enough to find it
People will interpret what they see
That is why story telling leaves more to interpret because the reader is not seeing anything so then has to visualize the whole scene because nothing is given to them
The moment a frame changes/moves less interpretation is left up to the viewer.
Written words WILL ALWAYS OFFER MORE INTERPRETATION TO THE VIEWER AND MAKE THE WORK MORE INTERACTIVE
Either way you can never be sure that people will interpret a piece how you want them to interpret a piece
**For the project DO NOT MAKE IT LIKE A MUSIC VIDEO
**ALSO, SHOOT TO TELL THE STORY THEN EDIT, HAVE LONG SHOTS
***HW watch 12 frames again and again without sound and email 1 paragraph with what you think the story of it is.
NMD 304 1/19/10
ReplyDeleteBlog for lecture notes ONLY - take written notes then transcribe to computer
Other blog is for reflections ONLY - talk about something discussed in class by 6
Don't put anything on his iDisk without asking
We will always have class
Edit on 12 frames - How the narration, and visuals work together.
Paragraph from everyone Euclid vs Descartes (subject of email)
Euclid: didn't divide things into time/space
Descartes - xy coordinates in time and space
"I think therefore I am."
Each frame is a point
A group of frames in between cuts is a line
Plane: the frames and edits together in one sequence.
Form is the overall narrative.
Story/narrative - you can search anything for meaning/narrative (event, thing, feeling ect)
When you describe in words the user is forced to imagine what the visual would look like.
The written word has different abilities than the visual word.
No homework except:
watch 12 frames piece w/o sound
write down what you think the story is and send paragraph "5 obstacle meaning"
Write paragraph on Euclid vs Descartes
Post notes, and reflections to the blog.
12 frame project starts Thursday - think of idea for narrative.
DO NOT shoot only edits
Audio can be anything except MUSIC VIDEOS
-NMD 304
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-do not email raph the comments
-keep watching Von Triers 12 frames
-Euclid and descartes
-First, second, and third postulates
-Euclidean geometry centers around the mathematical creation of complex theoretical systems, Cartesian coordinates are designed to overlay a mathematical theorem over the physical world.
-The whole is greater than the sum of its parts
-Timelines are a cartesian co ordinate system, cuts are impossibly accurate and non existent differentiations between time.
-In the written word we are more open to interpretation because not everything is described.
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He changed the time from 5 to 6 to post
Don't post anything in the iDisk unless instructed
Watch "Anti-Christ": Lars Von Trier
(good at distrupting what poeple think of semiotics)
Euclid was a Mathamatician of Geomentry
Write a paragraph with the subject line (Euclid vs. De Cartes)
Euclid:
A point is that which is boundless
A line is defined by two points
A plane is defined by lines
A form is defined by planes
Euclid divides time and space
De Cartes:
Defines time and space using coordiantes (x,Y)
a point is a fixed position in time and space
"I think there for I am"
12 edit
Each frame is a point
Each segment between cuts is a line
Each sequence of cuts combined is a plane
The entire narrative is the form
Humans immediatley try and identify with the meaning or narrative of a subject.
Narrative is some sort of thing, or friction, feeling, event of something.
The viewer of an artwork identifies only that which they have prior knowledge of
A written narrative is more dydactic then a visual narrative.
In written narrative the reader is given the chance to interpret more meaning then with a visual narrative due to its boundries.
Some people say that video is not interactive but that only applies to the more concrete your subject matter is and the less chance of interpretation the viewer is afforded.
Meaning is found in the exchange of two points.
Write down what you think the meaning of twelve frames is with the subject line :5 obsticles
Do not shoot to edit for the 12 frame assignment
Shoot long full and lots
No music videos
NMD 304 (josh Smith)
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MAKE SURE TO COPY TO NOTES PAGE AND THEN FOLLOW UP ON REFLECTIONS.
don't email comments to raph
first time running the class online (this simester.) worked pretty well, for the most part.
Superimposition
montage
framerate
Sequencial imaging-old hyroglyphs had this, it's not something we've recently created
Digital film= most useful of newer storage devices to keep sequencial imaging on.
"A picture's worth 1000 words"
allows you to have your own interpritation, while allowing others to think differently about your piece as well.
Context-gallery has different context than showing pictures at home. one's more artistic, the other's more personal.
Lars von Treir, interested with editing without moving camera.
Euclidean geometry- more abstract way of thinking about art and sequencial imaging.
point is one with nothing, line is ended with points, plain is ended in lines, and a form ended with planes.
Cartesian geometry- more concrete way to think about sequencing.
"i think therefore i am"
creation is greater than the sum of it's parts.
Consider this.
a frame is like a point, a group of frames is like a line. A sequence of groups of frames is like a plane, and a form is the narritive given by the plane of frames.
what's inside head can't be discribed 100% of the time. It's lost when put to a medium. reading allows for more interpritation, while visuals take away from your ability to visualize mentally what you'd like.
2 blogs > one for lecture notes, one for reflection on class discussions
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geometry a line is breathless. part. endless length. its extremedies are points.
a plane is endless length and breadth
a form is made of planes
'the whole is great than the sum of its parts'
12 frame edit
consider each frame a point
each edit is a line (the amount of frames between a cut)
a plane is a group of edits in a sequence
form is the overall narrative
people search for meaning in everything
meaning > narrative > description of thing, event, or feeling
a written narrative is less didactic than a visual narrative
to tell something visually, you have to show it.
12 frame edit piece by lars and Leth (5 obstacle meaning)
watch with out sound and answer what is the narrative? email
dont shoot to edit, shoot to tell and later edit to 12 frames