Tuesday, February 2, 2010

2/2/10 - Notes

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  1. Modern Poetry - contrasting Concrete/Abstract

    So what does Music/Poetry have to do with Story/Narrative?
    -Narrative
    ->Least amount of pnumonic information
    ->more about feeling
    -Story
    ->more personal
    ->delivers large amoun of info
    ->more structured

    Cognitive Interaction
    ->engage viewer/listener/participant to interpret

    "How close can you get to the telling of a story with the compilation of abstract sounds?"
    ->use sounds that everyone can interpret/understand
    ->telling does not equal abstract
    CHALLENGE - form a narrative, as well as a story, with NO WORDS


    People want to make sense of everything, be it sound or words, we always want meaning in real life situations, even when none is intended.
    ->this is an advantage

    Cinema - Tell through Showing
    Story - Show through Telling

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  2. - No review of work in progress (being policed)
    - Music = beat, rhythm, harmony
    - In music these things are constant
    - Poetry can have rhythm but it is not consistent
    - Poetry's build up comes from the imagery in your head
    - We are creature of habit
    - What do music and poetry have to do with stories and narratives?
    - Semantic difference
    - Story = Literal telling of something
    - Narrative = an experience or a state of feeling
    - Brain constantly refreshing to map our world
    - Cognitive interaction
    - How close can you get to telling a story with a collection of abstract sounds?
    - How can you achieve story without words?
    - Words are an encoding process
    - Humans strive to make connections with everything
    - Always looking to make sense of things
    - Show = literally showing something
    - Tell = Speak about something
    - Cinema = Telling through showing
    - Literature = Showing through telling

    Thursday
    - Create as much imagery as possible
    - As close to a story as possible
    - 1-3 minutes
    - No cool effects
    - No vocals what so ever
    - Line and stanza breaks

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  3. Distinction:Music vs. poem
    beat, rhythm, harmony
    different in each

    modern poetry (concrete vs abstract)
    Purpose of rhyme? draw you in, engaging

    What do these have to do with narrative

    story vs. narrative
    narrative-more open, least amount of information, more feeling state

    music=>narrative (sound only)
    poem=>story

    sounds can deliver narrative

    when you engage=>
    cognitive interaction

    How close can you get to the telling of a story with a collection of abstract sounds?
    less abstract, more concrete

    can we get from narrative to story with just sounds

    the word-cultural interpretation

    assigning meaning, even to seemingly random words

    intention-try to deliver beyond a narrative

    story-
    show + tell
    show-the thing-tell through showing-cinema
    tell-tell about the thing-show through telling-literature

    consider a conceptual idea and find a way to deliver it in audio

    only thing-dont modify sounds too much

    be pure.

    poetic structure, no words to work with
    -this sound seems like...

    intention-slight advantage

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  4. NMD 304- 2.2.10

    Raph is here- and hungover?

    Policing to make sure we are doing work.

    Poetic vs. Musical-- distinction between the two.
    * beat, rhythm, harmony

    - Once you establish a beat, you anticipate it.
    Poetry- built up through the manufacture of imagery through your head.
    * rhythm is a habit.

    - We feel compelled and interested when there is a flow in poetry.
    * What doe they have to do with story?

    Story vs. Narrative

    Story- something you tell about
    Narrative- more open

    - Feeling is a big part of a narrative.
    story- telling more information then narrative.

    story- literal
    narrative- abstract
    * It's up to the listener to be able to interpret.

    Cognitive Interaction- how you create an interactive system.
    - How close can you get to the telling of a story with abstract sounds?

    1- get a narrative (don't be literal)
    2- get a story

    word- cultural/interpretation
    - we want things to have meaning

    * Try to deliver beyond narrative for assignment 3.
    DUE THURS.

    show/tell- tell through showing, show through telling.
    * all telling has to come through the showing.
    * abstract sounds
    - investigate as much telling as possible.

    * See as much imagery and narrative as possible.

    DON'T BE LITERAL!
    - don't modify sounds too much.
    - no voices

    1-3 minutes- have intention clear.

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  5. Class Notes


    Difference between music and poetry again
    *We are creatures of habit
    -like repetition
    *We want everything to have meaning
    *Greatest assistant to telling a story is the person hearing it

    Story v Narrative

    Story- something you tell about
    -Delivers telling of large amount of info
    -Literal telling of something

    Narrative- least amount of information
    -Puts viewer in perceiving state
    -Abstract of the thing told

    With just sound you can easily tell a narrative, but we want to tell a story
    NEED to engage listener- create a cognitive interaction
    Without a recognized structure is the hardest way to keep someone engaged
    Words have cultural interpretation
    So much info could be a word

    Show vs tell

    Show – you show thing, in cinema you tell through showing
    Tell- talk about thing, in books you show through telling

    All telling must come through showing

    A3-

    How close can you get to the telling of a story with the compilation of abstract sounds?
    NO WORDS
    NOT MUSIC
    Create imagery
    Tell a story, but don’t record sounds to tell a story
    Don’t modify sounds too much
    All found sounds
    1-3 minutes
    Has a poetic structure
    5 lines per stanza
    3-5 stanzas
    Study poems- little pauses at end of line, long pauses between stanzas
    NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR INTENTION FROM THE START

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  6. two distinct structures between music and poetry.

    story/narrative
    story - literal
    narrative - essence

    It's up to the listener to get a story out of a piece of work.

    How close can I get to telling a story with abstract sounds?
    Use sounds people understand from life.
    Can I make a real story without words?

    Words have different cultural interp
    As humans we want to make EVERYTHING have a meaning

    Show/ Tell
    Show a thing or tell about something

    For A3:
    no words or human sounds only abstract sounds.
    As much narrative, and imagery as possible.
    Get as close to telling a story as possible
    Have an intention from the START

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  7. Notes 2-2-10

    -Two Distinct structures
    -Musicality and Poetry
    -Beat, rhythm, harmony, dischord
    -Stravinsky
    -4/4 Time Signature
    -Manufacturer of image in your head
    -Mod concrete and abstract
    -what do these to do with story and narrative?
    -Narratives are open-pneumonic feeling state
    -Story is the literal telling of something
    -Can we tell a story with sound?
    -Engage a viewer or listener, cognitive interaction--> that is how you complete a cinematic narrative
    -How close can you get to the telling of a story using abstract narrative
    -there is less abstract than concrete material in the telling
    -How can you get to story without word, and just sound
    -Words are defined by cultural interpretation
    -Humans are wired to find meaning in all words
    -The challenge is to create a narrative
    -Deliver beyond a narrative
    -Story-Show and tell
    -We use image to tell through showing
    -Words construct the image
    -Consider a conceptual idea and find a way to deliver it in audio form without words , there is only abstract

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  8. 2 types of structures

    Musicality - Beat, Rythme, Harmony, Expectation of Chorus.

    Poetic - Expect the rythme to keep it flowing

    Story - Something you tell about

    narrative - More open, feeling state

    Cognitive Interaction - Define music interactive narrative engaging the user to take the symbols you are given.

    How close can you get to killing of a story without words, only sound.

    these sounds have to be iconic

    can you do it without words logo

    culture/interpretation

    show - the thing / telling through showing
    tell - tell about / showing through telling

    No words or sounds made by humans

    3-5 sanzas

    1-3 minuets

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  9. NMD 304 2/2/10 Notes

    classical music structured around causing "musical anxiety" to the listener

    we're creatures of habit

    rhythm is an instant habit

    is there a difference between story and narrative?
    -story about something
    -narrative delivers

    story is more telling, narrative is more about delivering a state of being

    story is literal telling

    narrative is essence of the story

    cognitive interaction

    how close can we get to the telling of a story with abstract sounds?

    getting narrative in project is easy, how can we get story with the use of words?

    words are heavily encoded with meaning

    greatest assistant to story/narrative is the audience and their need/nature to interpret

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