So what does Music/Poetry have to do with Story/Narrative? -Narrative ->Least amount of pnumonic information ->more about feeling -Story ->more personal ->delivers large amoun of info ->more structured
Cognitive Interaction ->engage viewer/listener/participant to interpret
"How close can you get to the telling of a story with the compilation of abstract sounds?" ->use sounds that everyone can interpret/understand ->telling does not equal abstract CHALLENGE - form a narrative, as well as a story, with NO WORDS
People want to make sense of everything, be it sound or words, we always want meaning in real life situations, even when none is intended. ->this is an advantage
Cinema - Tell through Showing Story - Show through Telling
- No review of work in progress (being policed) - Music = beat, rhythm, harmony - In music these things are constant - Poetry can have rhythm but it is not consistent - Poetry's build up comes from the imagery in your head - We are creature of habit - What do music and poetry have to do with stories and narratives? - Semantic difference - Story = Literal telling of something - Narrative = an experience or a state of feeling - Brain constantly refreshing to map our world - Cognitive interaction - How close can you get to telling a story with a collection of abstract sounds? - How can you achieve story without words? - Words are an encoding process - Humans strive to make connections with everything - Always looking to make sense of things - Show = literally showing something - Tell = Speak about something - Cinema = Telling through showing - Literature = Showing through telling
Thursday - Create as much imagery as possible - As close to a story as possible - 1-3 minutes - No cool effects - No vocals what so ever - Line and stanza breaks
Poetic vs. Musical-- distinction between the two. * beat, rhythm, harmony
- Once you establish a beat, you anticipate it. Poetry- built up through the manufacture of imagery through your head. * rhythm is a habit.
- We feel compelled and interested when there is a flow in poetry. * What doe they have to do with story?
Story vs. Narrative
Story- something you tell about Narrative- more open
- Feeling is a big part of a narrative. story- telling more information then narrative.
story- literal narrative- abstract * It's up to the listener to be able to interpret.
Cognitive Interaction- how you create an interactive system. - How close can you get to the telling of a story with abstract sounds?
1- get a narrative (don't be literal) 2- get a story
word- cultural/interpretation - we want things to have meaning
* Try to deliver beyond narrative for assignment 3. DUE THURS.
show/tell- tell through showing, show through telling. * all telling has to come through the showing. * abstract sounds - investigate as much telling as possible.
* See as much imagery and narrative as possible.
DON'T BE LITERAL! - don't modify sounds too much. - no voices
Difference between music and poetry again *We are creatures of habit -like repetition *We want everything to have meaning *Greatest assistant to telling a story is the person hearing it
Story v Narrative
Story- something you tell about -Delivers telling of large amount of info -Literal telling of something
Narrative- least amount of information -Puts viewer in perceiving state -Abstract of the thing told
With just sound you can easily tell a narrative, but we want to tell a story NEED to engage listener- create a cognitive interaction Without a recognized structure is the hardest way to keep someone engaged Words have cultural interpretation So much info could be a word
Show vs tell
Show – you show thing, in cinema you tell through showing Tell- talk about thing, in books you show through telling
All telling must come through showing
A3-
How close can you get to the telling of a story with the compilation of abstract sounds? NO WORDS NOT MUSIC Create imagery Tell a story, but don’t record sounds to tell a story Don’t modify sounds too much All found sounds 1-3 minutes Has a poetic structure 5 lines per stanza 3-5 stanzas Study poems- little pauses at end of line, long pauses between stanzas NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR INTENTION FROM THE START
story/narrative story - literal narrative - essence
It's up to the listener to get a story out of a piece of work.
How close can I get to telling a story with abstract sounds? Use sounds people understand from life. Can I make a real story without words?
Words have different cultural interp As humans we want to make EVERYTHING have a meaning
Show/ Tell Show a thing or tell about something
For A3: no words or human sounds only abstract sounds. As much narrative, and imagery as possible. Get as close to telling a story as possible Have an intention from the START
-Two Distinct structures -Musicality and Poetry -Beat, rhythm, harmony, dischord -Stravinsky -4/4 Time Signature -Manufacturer of image in your head -Mod concrete and abstract -what do these to do with story and narrative? -Narratives are open-pneumonic feeling state -Story is the literal telling of something -Can we tell a story with sound? -Engage a viewer or listener, cognitive interaction--> that is how you complete a cinematic narrative -How close can you get to the telling of a story using abstract narrative -there is less abstract than concrete material in the telling -How can you get to story without word, and just sound -Words are defined by cultural interpretation -Humans are wired to find meaning in all words -The challenge is to create a narrative -Deliver beyond a narrative -Story-Show and tell -We use image to tell through showing -Words construct the image -Consider a conceptual idea and find a way to deliver it in audio form without words , there is only abstract
Modern Poetry - contrasting Concrete/Abstract
ReplyDeleteSo what does Music/Poetry have to do with Story/Narrative?
-Narrative
->Least amount of pnumonic information
->more about feeling
-Story
->more personal
->delivers large amoun of info
->more structured
Cognitive Interaction
->engage viewer/listener/participant to interpret
"How close can you get to the telling of a story with the compilation of abstract sounds?"
->use sounds that everyone can interpret/understand
->telling does not equal abstract
CHALLENGE - form a narrative, as well as a story, with NO WORDS
People want to make sense of everything, be it sound or words, we always want meaning in real life situations, even when none is intended.
->this is an advantage
Cinema - Tell through Showing
Story - Show through Telling
- No review of work in progress (being policed)
ReplyDelete- Music = beat, rhythm, harmony
- In music these things are constant
- Poetry can have rhythm but it is not consistent
- Poetry's build up comes from the imagery in your head
- We are creature of habit
- What do music and poetry have to do with stories and narratives?
- Semantic difference
- Story = Literal telling of something
- Narrative = an experience or a state of feeling
- Brain constantly refreshing to map our world
- Cognitive interaction
- How close can you get to telling a story with a collection of abstract sounds?
- How can you achieve story without words?
- Words are an encoding process
- Humans strive to make connections with everything
- Always looking to make sense of things
- Show = literally showing something
- Tell = Speak about something
- Cinema = Telling through showing
- Literature = Showing through telling
Thursday
- Create as much imagery as possible
- As close to a story as possible
- 1-3 minutes
- No cool effects
- No vocals what so ever
- Line and stanza breaks
Distinction:Music vs. poem
ReplyDeletebeat, rhythm, harmony
different in each
modern poetry (concrete vs abstract)
Purpose of rhyme? draw you in, engaging
What do these have to do with narrative
story vs. narrative
narrative-more open, least amount of information, more feeling state
music=>narrative (sound only)
poem=>story
sounds can deliver narrative
when you engage=>
cognitive interaction
How close can you get to the telling of a story with a collection of abstract sounds?
less abstract, more concrete
can we get from narrative to story with just sounds
the word-cultural interpretation
assigning meaning, even to seemingly random words
intention-try to deliver beyond a narrative
story-
show + tell
show-the thing-tell through showing-cinema
tell-tell about the thing-show through telling-literature
consider a conceptual idea and find a way to deliver it in audio
only thing-dont modify sounds too much
be pure.
poetic structure, no words to work with
-this sound seems like...
intention-slight advantage
NMD 304- 2.2.10
ReplyDeleteRaph is here- and hungover?
Policing to make sure we are doing work.
Poetic vs. Musical-- distinction between the two.
* beat, rhythm, harmony
- Once you establish a beat, you anticipate it.
Poetry- built up through the manufacture of imagery through your head.
* rhythm is a habit.
- We feel compelled and interested when there is a flow in poetry.
* What doe they have to do with story?
Story vs. Narrative
Story- something you tell about
Narrative- more open
- Feeling is a big part of a narrative.
story- telling more information then narrative.
story- literal
narrative- abstract
* It's up to the listener to be able to interpret.
Cognitive Interaction- how you create an interactive system.
- How close can you get to the telling of a story with abstract sounds?
1- get a narrative (don't be literal)
2- get a story
word- cultural/interpretation
- we want things to have meaning
* Try to deliver beyond narrative for assignment 3.
DUE THURS.
show/tell- tell through showing, show through telling.
* all telling has to come through the showing.
* abstract sounds
- investigate as much telling as possible.
* See as much imagery and narrative as possible.
DON'T BE LITERAL!
- don't modify sounds too much.
- no voices
1-3 minutes- have intention clear.
Class Notes
ReplyDeleteDifference between music and poetry again
*We are creatures of habit
-like repetition
*We want everything to have meaning
*Greatest assistant to telling a story is the person hearing it
Story v Narrative
Story- something you tell about
-Delivers telling of large amount of info
-Literal telling of something
Narrative- least amount of information
-Puts viewer in perceiving state
-Abstract of the thing told
With just sound you can easily tell a narrative, but we want to tell a story
NEED to engage listener- create a cognitive interaction
Without a recognized structure is the hardest way to keep someone engaged
Words have cultural interpretation
So much info could be a word
Show vs tell
Show – you show thing, in cinema you tell through showing
Tell- talk about thing, in books you show through telling
All telling must come through showing
A3-
How close can you get to the telling of a story with the compilation of abstract sounds?
NO WORDS
NOT MUSIC
Create imagery
Tell a story, but don’t record sounds to tell a story
Don’t modify sounds too much
All found sounds
1-3 minutes
Has a poetic structure
5 lines per stanza
3-5 stanzas
Study poems- little pauses at end of line, long pauses between stanzas
NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR INTENTION FROM THE START
two distinct structures between music and poetry.
ReplyDeletestory/narrative
story - literal
narrative - essence
It's up to the listener to get a story out of a piece of work.
How close can I get to telling a story with abstract sounds?
Use sounds people understand from life.
Can I make a real story without words?
Words have different cultural interp
As humans we want to make EVERYTHING have a meaning
Show/ Tell
Show a thing or tell about something
For A3:
no words or human sounds only abstract sounds.
As much narrative, and imagery as possible.
Get as close to telling a story as possible
Have an intention from the START
Notes 2-2-10
ReplyDelete-Two Distinct structures
-Musicality and Poetry
-Beat, rhythm, harmony, dischord
-Stravinsky
-4/4 Time Signature
-Manufacturer of image in your head
-Mod concrete and abstract
-what do these to do with story and narrative?
-Narratives are open-pneumonic feeling state
-Story is the literal telling of something
-Can we tell a story with sound?
-Engage a viewer or listener, cognitive interaction--> that is how you complete a cinematic narrative
-How close can you get to the telling of a story using abstract narrative
-there is less abstract than concrete material in the telling
-How can you get to story without word, and just sound
-Words are defined by cultural interpretation
-Humans are wired to find meaning in all words
-The challenge is to create a narrative
-Deliver beyond a narrative
-Story-Show and tell
-We use image to tell through showing
-Words construct the image
-Consider a conceptual idea and find a way to deliver it in audio form without words , there is only abstract
2 types of structures
ReplyDeleteMusicality - Beat, Rythme, Harmony, Expectation of Chorus.
Poetic - Expect the rythme to keep it flowing
Story - Something you tell about
narrative - More open, feeling state
Cognitive Interaction - Define music interactive narrative engaging the user to take the symbols you are given.
How close can you get to killing of a story without words, only sound.
these sounds have to be iconic
can you do it without words logo
culture/interpretation
show - the thing / telling through showing
tell - tell about / showing through telling
No words or sounds made by humans
3-5 sanzas
1-3 minuets
NMD 304 2/2/10 Notes
ReplyDeleteclassical music structured around causing "musical anxiety" to the listener
we're creatures of habit
rhythm is an instant habit
is there a difference between story and narrative?
-story about something
-narrative delivers
story is more telling, narrative is more about delivering a state of being
story is literal telling
narrative is essence of the story
cognitive interaction
how close can we get to the telling of a story with abstract sounds?
getting narrative in project is easy, how can we get story with the use of words?
words are heavily encoded with meaning
greatest assistant to story/narrative is the audience and their need/nature to interpret